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« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2008, 07:46:12 AM »

He did also say this
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The U.S. dollar will remain ``the most important reserve currency,'' Soros said. ``This is the end of credit expansion based on the mistaken belief of market fundamentalism, that you should let markets have total freedom.''

The forthcoming change in presidency in the US (no matter who wins) will IMO give a major boost to the $US
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« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2008, 11:21:25 AM »

Translation ... as long as Bush gets the fuck out and the democrats get in ... Democrats will put some shit in place that will move to clean up the mess. They don't believe they will be 'saved by the rapture'.
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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2008, 02:37:20 PM »

A country's strength is like a family's strength, based on its productivity and savings. 

Where is the productivity of America coming from and where is its savings?
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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2008, 06:25:15 PM »

Nice words ...

Now explain what happened to China between the years of 1949 to 1972.

Strong families. No money. No food. Millions died.

Now let's drop the rhetoric and talk sense.

Bill Clinton ballanced the budget over his two terms and was getting BJ's from Monica Lewinski.

Bush on the other hand has a strong family and pissed away all the wealth Clinton amassed.

So much for fidelity and the strong family being the motivator.
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« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2008, 09:59:37 PM »

Follow up to the most-read post of this blog. The Iranian Oil Bourse [IOB] began trading today, according to media reports, most of them Arab sources. This is almost a year later than originally planned.

The first day of trading saw turnover of 100 tons polyethylene. Iran produces 22 million tons petrochemicals annually and claims to be the #2 producer behind Saudi Arabia.

Oil Minister Gholam Hossein Nozari said that trading in crude oil will come at a later stage with no specific date set yet. "The first phase should operate for a while and we should find out its strong and weak points in order to open the second phase. Because the second phase is more complicated," Nozari said.

No Dollars Please, We Are Iranian
The IOB accepts Iranian Rials and a host of other currencies including Russian Roubles, but no Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs). Iran has shifted all its assets out of FRN obligations in order to avoid an arbitrary confiscation by the USA.

Iran's first domestic toehold in oil trading is another blow to the ailing unbacked dollar. As more oil gets traded in other currencies, the demand for FRNs will further reduce.

The USA anxiously follows these developments that could easily spread to other commodities as well, again reducing the demand for dollars as a hitherto unchallenged currency of choice in commodities markets.

There is no sound reason why Euro countries will not prefer to settle their oil bills in their own currency, eliminating forex costs too.

OPEC has declared earlier that it too is looking into other options (OPEC mulls replacing FRNs with a basket of currencies).

The Iranian initiative opens up other scary perspectives. What if Russia and Iran team up and demand Roubles and Rial only for their energy deliveries to the West?

The Rouble has quietly become a hard currency. Russia’s gold and foreign currency reserves stood at a record $481 billion as of last week. That is about half of Japan's forex reserves.

Find more background on the Iranian Oil Bourse here, here and here. The first post has been read more than 50,000 times here and been reposted on more than 130 websites.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/65003-iranian-oil-bourse-starts-trading-sans-dollar-contracts?source=feed
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« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2008, 10:12:22 PM »

TEHRAN, April 30 (Xinhua) -- Iran had totally removed U.S. dollars in the country's oil transactions, an Oil Ministry official said on Wednesday.

    "The dollar has completely been removed from our oil trade....Crude oil customers have agreed with us to use other currencies (in the trade)," Oil Ministry official Hojjatollah Ghanimifard was quoted as saying by the state television.

    "We make our transactions with euros in Europe, but yen in Asia," he added.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-04/30/content_8083804.htm
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« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2008, 09:50:37 PM »

The dollar is turning into toilet paper!  And it is what the US government wants.

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 A report from Merrill Lynch & Co has revealed that the government has effectively given Gulf Arab oil producers the go ahead to change their dollar-pegged foreign exchange policies, a move some experts fear will lead to a large scale abandonment of the greenback.

In a report entitled "U.S. Green Light for the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC)", the U.S. investment bank said the United Arab Emirates and Qatar will probably move to a currency basket in the next few months, with their respective currencies appreciating 5 percent before the end of the year, reports Reuters.

This may spur a similar move by the Saudis some time next year.

Merrill Lynch referred to a report to Congress by the Treasury which states that the government believes the dollar is strong enough to thrive without Gulf support. Gulf countries have suffered record levels of inflation in tandem with the dollar's decline and soaring energy and food prices.

"The US Treasury's manipulation report has signaled a new phase of bringing the GCC currencies toward flexibility. We believe the addition of the GCC to the summary and expanded section in the report shows the US is comfortable with the US dollar effect of GCC forex regime change. We believe this gives an implicit US green light for change," the report said.

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Many economists have previously predicted that a decision on behalf of the Gulf states to abandon the dollar peg would have disastrous consequences for the greenback and the American economy.

Moves by the likes of the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia to diversify their foreign exchange holdings out of dollars would amount to a vote of "no confidence" in the dollar and may cause other countries with large dollar reserves, such as China and Japan, to follow suit and begin dumping the greenback en masse.

China has threatened repeatedly to use the "nuclear option" and liquidate its vast holding of US treasuries in response to continued pressure on the Communist state to force a yuan revaluation. According to a widely-read London Telegraph report, such an event "could trigger a dollar crash" and also "cause a spike in US bond yields, hammering the US housing market and perhaps tipping the economy into recession."

Runaway inflation would also ensue, making the cost of living unaffordable to even middle class Americans as food prices skyrocket and international aid organizations like the World Food Programme predict rationing and food riots.

The dollar has held firm against the Euro and recovered some losses against Sterling over the past few months, but it has still lost 12 per cent of its value against the trade-weighted index over the last two years and has plunged by a whopping 60 per cent against the Euro since Bush entered the White House.

For the government to portend that the dollar is in a strong enough position to survive as the world's currency without the backing of the oil rich Gulf nations, particularly with China also leaning towards abandonment, is patently ridiculous.

American's living standards are teetering on the brink of meltdown. As the pioneer of Reaganomics and former Treasury Secretary Paul Craig Roberts has pointed out, "US living standards, which have been stagnant for years, will plummet once dollar decline forces China off the dollar peg."

While experts outside of government and establishment media desperately warn of the danger of a "dollar crash," hyperinflation and financial chaos, the press are busy aping the government's ludicrous position in claiming that the dollar's continued plunge is not something Americans should be concerned about.

The new Treasury report mirrors the rhetoric of former Fed chairman Alan Greenspan who once again exposed himself as a traitor working against the interests of the American people in February this year by urging Gulf states to abandon the dollar peg.

The Treasury also seems to be following the advice of the globalist controlled IMF, who in October of last year bizarrely slammed the dollar as "overvalued" at the same time the greenback hit its all time low against the Euro.


http://infowars.net/articles/may2008/260508Dollar.htm

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« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2008, 10:24:26 PM »

Bush is on his way out and he intends to say, "Fix THIS you fucking Democrats" and walk off.

He's victimizing the American people because Michael Moore doesn't appreciate his hard work.
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« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2008, 11:56:50 PM »

The only saving grace, and indeed the factor that can turn the tide and must be counted on by the US government is that, eventually the dollar will be so cheap that, together with other business policies that are designed to attract foreign investment, it is indeed a bargain to invest in the USA and foreigners do invest in the USA.

But when that turning point will happen is anybody's guess and it does represent a reverse of the global trend of investment in Asia, which is still going strong and shows no sign of weakening.   
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« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2008, 12:32:16 AM »

Plus you have the morons in Charge of the trade Unions.

I remember one trade Union scaring off a Japanese contingent that was going to open up one of the shut down factories to make Hondas by meeting them at the plane before the deal was done to buy the plant.

They already had a list of demands.
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« Reply #40 on: October 31, 2008, 12:38:06 AM »

According to the Chairman of the Banking Association of Russia, Russia and China will stop using USD for settlement of trade in 2009 and will use their own currencies instead. 

Sorry there is no English, you'll just have to believe me. Cheesy

http://rusnews.cn/ezhongguanxi/ezhong_jingmao/20081030/42316708.html
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« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2008, 01:02:40 AM »

I have come across a very eye opening view on the net which essentially says, Russia needs capital to bargain and trade with China, and this capital is doing the dirty work.

Guess we will be seeing China doing its own thing and being composed, fair and upright but never too offensive, while Russia will go about snarling, twisting arms, break a bone once in a while to make sure everyone aligns properly.  I must say such conduct becomes Russia Grin.

The news is broken in the most low key way to avoid creating too much of an upset.  But it must be broken anyway because it is imminent.
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« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2008, 08:58:05 AM »

LOL ....

Ah the irony of a person in HK praising the Chinese Mainland government in one breath and then talking about 'breaking news'.

Breaking wind is more like it.

While we are at it ... When is the Chinese government going to break more news about the thousands of countryside revolts that happen in China and the violence that is used to suppress them?
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« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2008, 09:33:59 AM »

FUCK , I  really don't expect you white asshole(assholes) can squeeze any good words about China in the rest of my life .
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« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2008, 10:04:19 AM »

heres one. la zi ji ding (actually thats four unles of course we combine the la with zi and ji with ding which then means it is two).
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